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EVcast #51: Obnoxious Noise, Unnecessary Press Releases, and 'Racist' Commercials

Thursday, August 7th 2008 @ 11:43 AM (not yet rated)    post viewed 5348 times

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James Schultz
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broschultz said on Thursday, August 7th 2008 @ 2:50 PM:

Would you follow up on the MIT announcement of their new Solar discovery and implications for the ev market.  I think it means $1 a gallon gas in a year and an ev in every garage in 11 years.


              Jim Schultz

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Paul Cummings
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PaulCummings said on Thursday, August 7th 2008 @ 3:11 PM:

In regards to the Robert Riley site, at:

I think you are recalling the projet "Electirc Cars-Now!" started by those crazy Finns- their site (the small part of it that is in English thus far) is:

However, they seem more akin to Calcars then the Rqriley Enterprises site in that they are proposing conversions of existing cars as opposed to building a car from scratch.  Ther are starting with one car for now, a Toyota, that I think one of the articles says is only available in Europe, not the US- but this may change.

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Ryan Levesque
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Ryan said on Thursday, August 7th 2008 @ 3:34 PM:

Hi Paul - yes, "Electric Cars - Now!" is indeed the Finlandian outfit we were trying to recall. I agree, Robert Q. Riley Enterprises does appear more similar to Calcars in concept than ECN. I think the point Bo was making is that it would be cool if RQR put in place a system similar to ECN!, whereby you could order all your components for the XR3, find a company to assemble it for you, etc. One stop shopping for the consumer, and makes obtaining the vehicle accessible to folks who have the $$, but don't have the skills and/or machinery to DIY.

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John Briggs
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JohnBriggs said on Friday, August 8th 2008 @ 8:01 AM:

    I think the MIT discover doesn't mean anything for EVs or anything else for that matter.

    They have discovered a way to more efficiently produce hydrogen.  This is good because current hydrogen processes are only 25% efficient due to the need to produce the hydrogen and then convert it back into electricity.  Battery technologies are more like 90% effecient.  So hydrogen makes no sense at all. 

    If we assume the MIT process makes the conversion process 50% efficient, it still doesn't make sense.  We will still need batteries just for efficiency.

    Add to this the problems of storing hydrogen and the enormous cost of fuel cells, and I think the MIT invention may have little practical benefit at this time.

    Also, commercializing any product is likely to take 2 years at a minimum from the time they start, and there is no indication that anyone has started to do that.

     I have no doubt that the MIT invention is a great breakthrough, it is just that hydrogen has additional problems that will prevent it from being practical.

      And, by the way, solar power is very expensive (perhaps 30cent/KWH or more compared to 19 for grid electricity).  So I am not sure how reasonable the rest of their story-telling is.


John C. Briggs

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Paul Cummings
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PaulCummings said on Friday, August 8th 2008 @ 12:26 PM:

I would echo John's thoughts on this- though perhaps in the future it may provide one more option to store solar or wind-genterated energy on a small scale- i.e. the home owner.  This is why EESTOR, if they do come thru with a product, is so intriguing- their product would not just be a revolutionary battery for the EV, but a storage unit for renewable energy generation, both on the home level and the utility level- this market may be as large or larger than the EV market for their product.

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