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EVcast #344. How much?

posted by Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield, Free AccessSunday, March 28th 2010 @ 4:44 PM (not yet rated)    post viewed 1969 times

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[1:33:20] Join Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield, Marc Geller and Jeff Lander as they discuss the week's EV News. This show is sponsored by the folks at www.evcarco.com and produced by littleCollie.com

 

 

 

Shownotes:

 

The Costs of 240V charging - Lyle Dennis gm-volt.com. (More)

 

Fiat/Chrysler to make Fiat 500 electric. 

 

iMiev pricing announced for UK

 

iMiev production set to triple in 2010.  

 

Leaf platform gives rise to Infiniti Ev. 

 

Japanese prius driver charged when no fault found in his crashed Prius. 

 

GM to produce E-Spark in India by the end of the year.  

 

The Volt (Ampera) may get produced in the North West of England.  

 

GEM makes it to the U.K.  - heafty price tag unlikely to get it sales.  

 

Are smart grids needed to power electric car dream? 

 

 

Cost analysis of EV ownership vs regular car ownership - using Mitsubishi i as a model. 

 

GM EN-V - Not a vehicle to be envious of...  

 

Tesla Motors gets OK for Downey plant. 

 

KTM Freeride - Electric motorbike from a legend in Motorcycles. 

 

Australian company working on 400hp in-wheel motor.  

 

The Governator supports Zero Motorcycles. 

 

Alaskan inventor creates new motor, and aims for 800 mile range. 

 

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Robert Mitchell
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RobertMitchell said on Sunday, March 28th 2010 @ 10:00 PM:

Some of the most costly repairs on a car are to the engine. When a car is ready for the bone yard what a great opportunity to recycle/reuse an otherwise good vehicle by converting it.

Although converting tens of thousands of vehicles would not create as many jobs as buying new, it could create conversion jobs and would certainly be better for the environment. When the EV conversion equipment becomes more economical and the process is proven it should be a good value.

There is a great deal of EV "hacking " out there. Hopefully the new burgeoning conversion industry will be subject to certifications to ensure quality safety and reliability.

Rob

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Eric Rodda
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EricRodda said on Sunday, March 28th 2010 @ 11:47 PM:

In Australia, particularly South Australia, there is stringent checking done on electric cars before they are allowed to be registered for the road. A Chartered Engineer must supply a report the Registrar of Motor Vehicles showing that all the Australian Desing Rules have been met and also that all work done on an electric conversion is of the required quality and strength.

Eric

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Paul Cummings
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PaulCummings said on Monday, March 29th 2010 @ 10:51 PM:

Enjoyed the show, Nikki!

IMiev price high?  Yes, but not unexpected- cost will come down later- they are going to charge what the market will bear the first year or two to offset the early development costs.  And the Leaf is NOT going to cost the same as a Prius- not if the battery cost is included.  Watch- the first year or so, it will be close to $40,000.  But, with so many coming into the EV market over the next 2-3 years, I think we will see the price come down fairly quickly.

The Internet as a Basic Human Right?  Okay- I think that is overstating even it, even for the Internet- but look who declared this- a French Court- so just consider the source;-)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525993,00.html

The bigger concern with Toyota is the unknown about the computers in them running all their systems- Toyota refuses to admit this may be as a problem, and with so much of their technology now fly-by-wire, this raises some scary scenerios.  Not to absolve the one guy y'all talked about, but if the issue is with the computer, the black box may not show any digital activity on the brakes.  It's amazing how often the Windows Event Viewer does not show any info on the BSOD you just had.

LOL!  I like Marc's description of the problematic Nano- a 'rolling Molotov Cocktail!'  Well, there is a reason why it is the cheapest car in the world, and why they are not sold here in the US due to stricter safety standards.  This is why BYD is not coming over to the US as quick as everyone thought.

I am dubious of the young, Alaskan inventor's motor, especially after the article's author used the term 'over-unity' in conjunction with the motor- but what caught my eye was his battery management- of drawing juice from any one bank for two seconds, then letting them cool for 6 seconds- an intriguing thought.

And, as always, it's the BATTERY!  Yes, I will whisper it- still holding out hope for Eestor;-)  But I seem to be one of the few to realize it may still take a couple of years for them to perfect the lab-to-commercialization process, despite both hopeful expectations and dire predictions to the contrary.

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Eric Rodda
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EricRodda said on Tuesday, March 30th 2010 @ 5:47 PM:

Re iMiev price: It appears as if the price for this little EV will be about $56,000. Without government incentives (none in Australia as yet!), how many people are going to spend that much on a similar size car which would normally cost around $15,000 in ICE configuration?

Eric

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John Briggs
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JohnBriggs said on Wednesday, March 31st 2010 @ 1:17 PM:

Quote from PaulCummings on Monday, March 29th 2010 @ 10:51 PM
...And the Leaf is NOT going to cost the same as a Prius- not if the battery cost is included.  Watch- the first year or so, it will be close to $40,000.  But, with so many coming into the EV market over the next 2-3 years, I think we will see the price come down fairly quickly...

Paul,
    Oh if you could have just waited a week, you could have seen the $32,780 price for the LEAF.

     I think Mitsubishi have overplayed their hand.  They had the "first to market" advantage that could command a higher price.  But that only works if others play along.  Seems like Nissan is really planning for higher volume sales for the LEAF.

Later
John C. Briggs

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